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@abthree - I need your wise counsel. I have my Brazilian Permanent Residency, but I am not familiar with whether or not I need one of these when I travel to the USA.

Roddie in Retirement馃暤

05/05/25 @abthree Need your wise counsel. I have my Brazilian Permanent Residency, but I am not familiar with whether or not I need one of these when I travel to the USA.
Roddie in Retirement馃暤 - @roddiesho

If your US Passport is up to date and you have a Brazilian CRNM (or its predecessor, the CIE issued in 2017 or prior) that's within its validity period or has "validade indeterminada" on it, you have all you need and are good to go.聽 No legal resident of Brazil needs a visa to enter Brazil, and s/he should聽 be ok.聽

That said, airline employees sometimes get confused about that, but can usually be helped to understand.聽 More ominously, who knows who the current regime in the US will be turning on next?聽 An unscheduled, indeterminate layover in El Salvador could end up being in anyone's future.聽 Barring a major family emergency, we have canceled any plans to visit the US prior to January 2029 at the earliest.聽 Our papers are all in order, but one of us is an non-citizen and has an accent.

Such BS. Answer the question and leave politics out of it. Brazilian politics is the reason I don鈥檛 live in Brazil despite having Permanent Residency. Too much poverty, too much crime. And they are going to charge me the maximum tax (27%)聽 on my income in US dollars to spend in their country that鈥檚 Just barely in the developing nation status? No thanks. Rather go somewhere where English is spoken and Americans are appreciated. You know very well if you have a valid US passport you have no problem getting into the United States.

@Robert Laney

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Brazilian politics is the reason I don鈥檛 live in Brazil despite having Permanent Residency. Too much poverty, too much crime. And they are going to charge me the maximum tax (27%) on my income in US dollars to spend in their country that鈥檚 Just barely in the developing nation status? - @Robert Laney

I think it has been explained before about the tax situation in Brazil vis a vis US dollar income, and how it can be managed in a financially sound and tax efficient manner - it is very personal to the individual, but should never involve a blanket 27% tax. But if that is what you choose to believe, then nobody is going to change your mind.

05/06/25 Acceptable level of risk is a personal choice, and there's no wrong answer -- until suddenly there is.聽 We've made our decision, and we're content with it聽 for the next several years at least:

@abthree Thanx as always聽

"Airline employees ... can usually be helped to understand"

Considering I now walk with a cane I am sure a video of that would go viral.

I too will not be traveling soon, though my first reason is that I vowed as the

oldest son to stay by my Brazilian Mother's side here in Brazil

while she is in her Golden Years. She is now 98.

The question of the two ID`s did spark my curiosity though.

I guess when you reply on 暗网禁区.Com you don`t get all

the comments right away., just the one you are replying too.

I just saw the "extra". Needless to say, you have always

been a great help to me and others on 暗网禁区.Com.

Just continue to do what you do best, and you will continue

to receive much deserved praise.

The noise will disappear like so much fog.

Roddie in Retirement馃暤

I appreciate all the responses but I going to try to bring back my question. Here a example THE AMERICAN SOCIETY

Brazilian Visas for Americans

As of April 10, 2025, American travelers are once again required to have a visa to enter Brazil.

While this new visa rule applies to tourists, we recently learned that there have been at least three specific cases of Americans who have an RNE and live in Rio, but they were denied boarding by an American airline in the U.S. when they tried to return to Brazil in April. Those individuals had to extend their stay in the U.S. until the visa was processed, even though they have an RNE and have lived in Rio for decades. This was required by the airline because, they argued, they did not have information from the Brazilian government about RNE holders being exempt from the new visa requirements. We hope that this problem will soon be resolved between the airlines and Itamaraty so other RNE holders do not encounter similar challenges when trying to return to Brazil.

05/06/25 @New Brazil.聽 Do you have a link for that, or the website of The American Society"?

I've sent this message to the Brazilian Consulate General in Chicago.聽 I'll post any answer I receive here:

"I have been hearing reports of US Citizens who are permanent residents of Brazil and hold valid CRNMs being denied boarding by airlines because they do not have eVisas or VIVIS visas.

Are CRNM holders returning to Brazil required to have visas as well?

Thank you in advance for your response,"

It鈥檚 on the amsoc RJ Facebook page

From what I鈥檝e researched:

Airline employees are sometimes unfamiliar with how to correctly treat permanent residents during check-in, especially when the passport does not match the country of residence. This can cause issues with document verification or Timatic queries.

To clarify:

Timatic (used by airlines to check entry and visa requirements):

When checking requirements, agents must enter:

- Passport country

- Country of residence

- Destination country

- Transit country (if applicable)

Important:

The country of residence must reflect where the traveler legally resides, based on documentation such as a CRNM or RNE (Brazilian permanent or temporary residency card).

Example: A U.S. passport holder who lives in Brazil with a CRNM or RNE should have Brazil listed as their country of residence鈥攅ven though their passport is from the U.S.

Some airline systems autofill the residence field based on the passport. If so, the agent must manually update it.

Sabre,聽 (PNR system used for booking and passenger details):

Sabre doesn鈥檛 have a fixed "residency" field in every PNR, but residency can be noted in the OSI (Other Service Information) field.

I recall at least once having issues checking in with my RNE years ago. A quick conversation between the check in clerk and a supervisor solved the issue .

It鈥檚 important to make it clear that you are a resident .聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽

I hope this issue gets resolved. This is one of the reasons they tell you to arrive 2 hours early before your flight 馃お.聽 聽|

@bepmoht Example: A U.S. passport holder who lives in Brazil with a CRNM or RNE

should have Brazil listed as their country of residence鈥攅ven though their passport is from the U.S.

Good Example, that`s me, but where should they have Brazil listed

...on the CRNM?

Roddie in Retirement ...and not leaving Internationally

for a couple of years.... 馃暤

P.S. I checked my CRNM, and it says "RESIDENTE" ...am I good?

05/07/25聽 @NewBrazil and all of our other interested members.聽 I just received this response from the Visa聽 Department of the Consulate General of Brazil in Chicago to the question,聽 "Are CRNM holders returning to Brazil required to have visas as well?":

"No, if the foreigner has a valid CRNM and hasn't been out of Brazil for more than 2 years, he/she can use the CRNM to enter the country."

So anyone following @bepmoht's suggestions above for dealing with the airline staff should be ok.

@abthree First of all, thanks for going the extra mile. Sorry, I have been working with Adobe CC for the last hour and a half on my channel and my brain is mush. I am trying to wrap my head around

if the foreigner has a valid CRNM and hasn't been out of Brazil for more than 2 years, he/she can use the CRNM to enter the country."

My foggy mind tells me that I am counting the time OUT of Brazil for validity, not the time out of the USA or other countries. I think I got it.

Roddie in Retirement馃暤

@abthree

聽 I concur exactly - if a permanent resident visa holder spends at least 2 weeks in every 2 years in Brazil, they can re-enter without a problem. Longer than 2 years without a visit, will probably create a problem, unless you are very lucky...