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Yea I get you ...Choukran Bazaf for the book 

Welcome and i will stop disuccing here and hope ur husband treat you good. And believe me he need only to look for the truth and he will find it
Cuz i believe if he really loves you he should say to you merry christams and also happy valentines day

Becuz i believe that god said be nice to people and he really believe that jesus is a prophet from god then he should said it to you

Cuz we celeberate the birth of the prophet mohamed and we also have huge debate on the date he was born

See you

Moroccan1 wrote:

Welcome and i will stop disuccing here and hope ur husband treat you good. And believe me he need only to look for the truth and he will find it
Cuz i believe if he really loves you he should say to you merry christams and also happy valentines day

Becuz i believe that god said be nice to people and he really believe that jesus is a prophet from god then he should said it to you

Cuz we celeberate the birth of the prophet mohamed and we also have huge debate on the date he was born

See you

Only a small minority celebrate the Prophet's birthday. The mainstream Muslims say there is no evidence of the Prophet or his early followers doing this and consider it to be something added to the religion (i.e. Nothing to do with it)

Mr Moroccan1 is very happy now you are reading his book. I can't comment on it myself without reading it first, which I think I will do but I quick look on the internet says it was banned in lots of countries and Mr Morrocco1's views are not always in line with mainstream Islam

Thank you to both of you on all your comments I appreciate it and enjoyed our conversation..have a good evening ...good night and Lila mabrouka ...khouya

Moroccan1 wrote:

You have to know also that hadith was written after prophet died about 207 years . Even the prophet said dont write anything i said except quran cuz he know that people will say something on his name and he didnt say it

Good night friends,

How do you know that prophet said that??? you believe only in quran don't you, you contradict yourself, no??
You look to have no idea about hadith science my friend, if you knew "chart el bukhari" which are the conditions for authenticating a hadith you won't believe it, or "chart muslim" or any other mouhadith and you will know how it is difficult to be in sahih muslim or bukhari.
But what most desolate me, is that you think that you only, on this earth, know adnan ibrahim or Shahrour, poor Moroccan 1, these guys have nothing to do with 3ilm, they are only  thinkers who have their interpretations, you're free to follow them but do not ask us to do so, I heard Ibrahim many time he really makes me laugh the poor.
By the way I didn't want to answer your answers because you clearly look like you are not gonna change mind so what's the point.

Good luck Goldkhalifa, I'm tired.

Goldkhalifa wrote:

Moroccan1 wrote:

Welcome and i will stop disuccing here and hope ur husband treat you good. And believe me he need only to look for the truth and he will find it
Cuz i believe if he really loves you he should say to you merry christams and also happy valentines day

Becuz i believe that god said be nice to people and he really believe that jesus is a prophet from god then he should said it to you

Cuz we celeberate the birth of the prophet mohamed and we also have huge debate on the date he was born

See you

Only a small minority celebrate the Prophet's birthday. The mainstream Muslims say there is no evidence of the Prophet or his early followers doing this and consider it to be something added to the religion (i.e. Nothing to do with it)

Mr Moroccan1 is very happy now you are reading his book. I can't comment on it myself without reading it first, which I think I will do but I quick look on the internet says it was banned in lots of countries and Mr Morrocco1's views are not always in line with mainstream Islam

We celebrated it  in morocco, saudi arabi doesnt celebrate it becuz they are whabizim they said its haram lol and yes
The book is banned only in saudia arabia for the same reason cuz the book try to correct their thinking lol

By the way the book of ibn taimia is banned in uj lol ask ur gov why ..

tarikkk wrote:

Moroccan1 wrote:

You have to know also that hadith was written after prophet died about 207 years . Even the prophet said dont write anything i said except quran cuz he know that people will say something on his name and he didnt say it

Good night friends,

How do you know that prophet said that??? you believe only in quran don't you, you contradict yourself, no??
You look to have no idea about hadith science my friend, if you knew "chart el bukhari" which are the conditions for authenticating a hadith you won't believe it, or "chart muslim" or any other mouhadith and you will know how it is difficult to be in sahih muslim or bukhari.
But what most desolate me, is that you think that you only, on this earth, know adnan ibrahim or Shahrour, poor Moroccan 1, these guys have nothing to do with 3ilm, they are only  thinkers who have their interpretations, you're free to follow them but do not ask us to do so, I heard Ibrahim many time he really makes me laugh the poor.
By the way I didn't want to answer your answers because you clearly look like you are not gonna change mind so what's the point.

Good luck Goldkhalifa, I'm tired.

If al-bukhra collected 60,000 hadiths and he only put in his book 6000 hadiths and this 6000 hadiths he pray two rakaat istikhara to put each hadith in his book
Plus bukhari is a farisi how he speak arabic and if so where is his first scrip

Anyway i also laugh alot when u heard ur schollare speaking and feel pitty cuz when they speak they touch your feeling not ur mind

Most of arab think that the own pardise but be sure that christans and jewish and all who believe in god and his last day and do good will be there

Bye

Anyone who is a decent human being who does no wrong to others..does not hurt another does not steal prays etc etc...should enter paradise regardless of what religion they follow..God created who we are so why would he not allow us to enter paradise even if we are good people just because we are not muslim ! Does not make sense....so for the muslims who believe no one will enter paradise because they are not muslim ? Are crazy people !

Defo lynne i agree with you

Choukran Bazaf khouya have a good day 

Lynn19 wrote:

Anyone who is a decent human being who does no wrong to others..does not hurt another does not steal prays etc etc...should enter paradise regardless of what religion they follow..God created who we are so why would he not allow us to enter paradise even if we are good people just because we are not muslim ! Does not make sense....so for the muslims who believe no one will enter paradise because they are not muslim ? Are crazy people !

I don't think there is any need to call Muslims crazy because of their beliefs.

It sounds more crazy to marry a Muslim, thinking his beliefs are crazy, then getting upset when he doesn't abandon his beliefs to please you, which in this case is celebrating Valentine's Day.

Often we here talk of how 'will the Muslim treat the non-Muslims in say Morocco' etc but really if the person is already looking down on them thinking they are crazy backwards people then this going to get picked up on and be like a mirror in regards to the way they are treated

I never said all muslims are crazy...but if you or any other muslim who honestly believes non muslims won't be able to enter paradise just solely because they are not muslim regardless if they are decent human beings or not ARE crazy...
So in other words
Muslim man or woman who is a decent person who prays etc does no wrong may enter paradise
Non muslim man or woman who is a decent person who prays etc does no wrong may NOT enter paradise because he's not muslim
Does that make sense to you ?....
That ideology that only muslims should be allowed entry to paradise or are the best of the people....c'mon !!!!  Ludicrous...I respect my husband of course and any muslim who thinks I have a right to enter paradise if I'm a decent human being..whether I'm Christian or not....

Moroccan1 wrote:

Most of arab think that the own pardise but be sure that christans and jewish and all who believe in god and his last day and do good will be there

Good morning,

I don't think I own paradise, and I don't think true christians & jewish will not be there, because they practice what their prophet came with from God which is unicity, but do you believe that these people exist now days, all christians & jewish changed their religion this is why Allah send Mohamed to rectify the changing done by them, like believing jesus is son of god, and  other stuff like that.
Why God would have sent other prophet if these people didn't change their religion, what's the point?

What I believe dear Moroccan 1 is that you still young and don't know a lot about Islam unfortunatly, the guys you're following now like adnan, shahrour, and many other (because they are a lot now, called quranyine), don't believe in hadith, but this is stupid, because how can one belive in quran and not in sunnah, the companions who preserved quran are the same who preserved sunnah, if you think sunnah is false, how can you admit quran is true, this doesn't make sens, the same people transmitted to us. If god preserved quran it's only through companions.

Other thing, we should not accpet al bukhari hadiths just because he is farisi?, this is exactly the definition of racism, and Islam came to eradicate racism, we do not judge people on where they come from, or their colour, or their race but for what they do, some companions were farisi too, salmane for example, where is the problem...

Last, you don't answer the critics we give, but you always change subject and you bring infos here and there without deepening in a subject and this is the method of quraniyine and people who do not master their subjects

Lynn19 wrote:

I never said all muslims are crazy...but if you or any other muslim who honestly believes non muslims won't be able to enter paradise just solely because they are not muslim regardless if they are decent human beings or not ARE crazy...
So in other words
Muslim man or woman who is a decent person who prays etc does no wrong may enter paradise
Non muslim man or woman who is a decent person who prays etc does no wrong may NOT enter paradise because he's not muslim
Does that make sense to you ?....
.

I really believe that, unfortunatly, it's not enough to do well and get to paradise Lynn, the unicity of god is more important than doing well, if you believe god is unique, believe in all prophete and prophete Mohamed is the last one of them, believe in angels ..etc and do well, you can hope to be in paradise, and I say hope because only god will autorize it with his mercy.
But be honnest Lynn and tell me is there any christan or jew who believe this now days, and if it exist this is islam called diffirently, we don't worry about names, I can call myself  Buddhist and be muslim, islam is not a name it's believes, and practise.
I don't know If I expressed myself well to be understood because I am not english speakink guy I am more at ease in french. And sorry for the mistakes by the way.

As a Christian I believe in God and I believe jesus died to save our souls ..he died for our sins ...so we can enter paradise..but that does not mean to say any Christian can automatically gain access to paradise just because he or she is a Christian..he or she must be a law abiding citizen..must believe God exists ..must pray..must be a good human being etc...then they may enter if god allows..
I honestly think if people just assume non muslims don't have a right to enter paradise just because they are 'kafir'  are backward people...

tarikkk wrote:

I don't think I own paradise, and I don't think true christians & jewish will not be there, because they practice what their prophet came with from God which is unicity, but do you believe that these people exist now days, all christians & jewish changed their religion this is why Allah send Mohamed to rectify the changing done by them, like believing jesus is son of god, and  other stuff like that.
Why God would have sent other prophet if these people didn't change their religion, what's the point?

Did you go and ask christain  one by one if they believe in god or not , do you know what is in their heart . Funny how you believe massmedia and what they say about christain . As i said before only god who will judge btween people on the day of judgement : 
22:17. (Let) those who believe and those who judaised and the Sabians and the Christians and the Magians and those who associate other gods with God know that Allâh will decide between them on the Day of Resurrection. Surely, Allâh is Witness over all things."

Yet god sent mohamed peace be upon him cuz arab badouin used to worship idols.

And to give you an exmaple my wife before it convert to islam, she was believing that jesus isnt son of god nor he is god . So dont judge people u never meet. And if allah said that : "
5:72. Indeed, they have disbelieved who say, ‘Allâh - He is the Messiah, son of Mary,’ whereas the Messiah (himself) said, ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh Who is my Lord and your Lord.’ Surely whoso associates partners with Allâh, him has Allâh forbidden Paradise, and his resort will be the Fire and these transgressors shall have no helpers. " this doesnt mean all christain said that only those who *said* it .

tarikkk wrote:

What I believe dear Moroccan 1 is that you still young and don't know a lot about Islam unfortunatly, the guys you're following now like adnan, shahrour, and many other (because they are a lot now, called quranyine), don't believe in hadith, but this is stupid, because how can one belive in quran and not in sunnah, the companions who preserved quran are the same who preserved sunnah, if you think sunnah is false, how can you admit quran is true, this doesn't make sens, the same people transmitted to us. If god preserved quran it's only through companions.

Dont think so i am older enough. to know about islam you dont to believe in all opinion of ur scholars . It just need to use the brain that allah gives you . Most of arab people being atheist becuz of your scholar . I dont agree with andnan and shahror in some of their ideas . And for them its proud for them to call them quraenin cuz : " there is no one more truthful to his word than god "

I said th sunnah that contradict Quran is worng and i will never belong to it and her is two exmaple

Bukhari said :" أمرت أن أقاتل الناس حتى يـشـهــدوا أن لا إلــه إلا الله وأن محمد رسول الل"

Allah said : وماارسلناك الا رحمة للعالمين

tarikkk wrote:

Other thing, we should not accpet al bukhari hadiths just because he is farisi?, this is exactly the definition of racism, and Islam came to eradicate racism, we do not judge people on where they come from, or their colour, or their race but for what they do, some companions were farisi too, salmane for example, where is the problem...

I agree with you, but when u bring me the first scrip of bukhari i will believe and if u bring me who translate his scrip
Cuz what isis do now is actually what in book of bukhari and what ur schollar had understand and interpreted.

tarikkk wrote:

Last, you don't answer the critics we give, but you always change subject and you bring infos here and there without deepening in a subject and this is the method of quraniyine and people who do not master their subjects

Well i am out of topic maybe u just imagine that
But its okey if you belong to wahabizim i really dont care. Just dont judge people and leave the judge to the one who created them

Lynn19 wrote:

I honestly think if people just assume non muslims don't have a right to enter paradise just because they are 'kafir'  are backward people...

Honestly this doesn't answer my question 

Moroccan1 wrote:

But its okey if you belong to wahabizim i really dont care. Just dont judge people and leave the judge to the one who created them

My friend if there is someone who is judging others here it's you and it's not Lynn who will say the opposite. What we are trying to explain here is just to respect the husband of Lynn and his believes that's it.

About whahabism and isis, you're taking us out of the subject, if you really want to talk about isis you can open a new post and I will do my best to discuss with you all what you want.
Look, to be short, if you were an american or an israeli I will understand the way you talk about isis, but coming from an arab you really disappoint me, Come on open your eyes either non muslims on this earth know isis doesn't belong to islam and everybody knows where they came from and who create them? if you continu, I will start thinking you have bad intentions here

You the one who contradict yourslef when u say lynne should respect her husband in other hand her husband doesnt respect her by wishing her merry christmas or happy valentine ...
where is the equality brween men and woman

this is my last comment and i dont want to speak alot i am trying to show lynne that not all muslim are the same and i am muslim and i say happy christmas and happy valentine day as also christains wishing me happy eid and celebrate it with me

Ok bye

Agreed!