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The Royal navy has two but they are both rubbish.

As for the Italian vessel, it might well come with a squadron of Harriers, aircraft that would be more than suitable for Indonesia.

However, you're a little late with the news as this is quite an old story.

Whatever the outcome, Indonesia needs to buy non-US as the greatest military threat is from the United States, a country that has bombed Indonesia in the past, and tried to install a puppet president in the last election.

Prabowo buying French fighters was a very good move.

As for the armed forces in civilian life, it never stopped. Local TNI build community projects such as toilet blocks in remove, poor villages, and do plenty more.

The army is very much part of local life, and that promotes the best form of nationalism. That symbiotic relationship would make Indonesia a very difficult country to conquer. You think the US got hammered in Vietnam, wait to see what happens if a country tries that crap here.

A large military power would see Indonesia fall quickly, but the invader's losses over time would make Vietnam look like a Sunday outing in the park.

That's why the idea of the Indonesian military being part of day to day civilian life is a very good one.

I see you don't understand the way it works, but you will if a country tried to invade us. Any invader would need a very good supply of body bags.

The Vietcong had a very nice local network, but ours has developed over decades, and the military has massive civilian support.

Prabowo is looking good, and has the vast majority of Indonesians support him.

I hear that the recently decommissioned Italian carrier, Garibaldi is for sale.. - @Lotus Eater

          Heard Tesla is making an EV carrier for the US.  Perhaps they could make a second one.

@Fred

Absolutely agree...

Indonesia no need an aircraft carrier because it is not an imperialist, but as a maritime country with thousands of islands it is better to build airports and seaports in all provinces which will be very effective in protecting its territory.

Prabowo prioritizes equality by developing development for its people every province.

cheers

PJ

@zanzio

Well now let us see how things are playing out after Prabowo Subianto's first six months in office. The new president recently announced that he will award himself 6 marks out of ten which is about 5 more than the business community in Jakarta would.

The economy is weak. The Eid al-Fitr holiday was a damp squib with the number of travellers down by a quarter on the year before. Consumer confidence is down since December with capital goods expenditure (cars & bikes) purchases dipping by 3% :Unfortunately Mr Trump cannot be the scapegoat as the above happened before the now delayed 34% tariff on Indonesian exports to the US was announced.

Moreover the stockmarket is down 10% and the Rupiah has weakened by about 7% against the greenback, a record low not reached since 1998.

Looks like the aircraft carrier might have to be put on hold. Either that or just leave it in port on standby as a deterrent..

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Consumer confidence is down since December with capital goods expenditure (cars & bikes) purchases dipping by 3% :.. - @Lotus Eater

Bike sales rise and fall. Your 3% dip is a fact, as is May's 24.3% rise.

Moreover the stockmarket is down 10%
- @Lotus Eater

True, as it is pretty much all over the world

and the Rupiah has weakened by about 7% against the greenback, a record low not reached since 1998... - @Lotus Eater

Also true, as is the list below.

The above figures do not relate to the IDR since Prabowo took office. It is one of the world’s 10 weakest currencies in 2025 .

The weakest in south east Asia.

The above figures do not relate to the IDR since Prabowo took office. It is one of the world’s 10 weakest currencies in 2025 .
The weakest in south east Asia. - @Lotus Eater

Would you be kind enough to show your source, please?

@Fred

Wise

Given Indonesia is moving towards trade with China and the USD is on its last legs, why does the USD rate actually matter?

@Fred

Perhaps because 80% of world trade is denominated in US$.

For example fuel. Indonesia is a net importer of oil. Oil is priced in greenbacks.

You live and learn Fred🙄

@Fred
Perhaps because 80% of world trade is denominated in US$.
For example fuel. Indonesia is a net importer of oil. Oil is priced in greenbacks.
You live and learn Fred🙄 - @Lotus Eater

Perhaps you are a little out of date.

I gather the USD is used for about 54% of world trade at the moment, and many big oil producing countries are far from 100% Dollar trades.

The USD is more of an option than anything else.