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i am sure when i last inquired about it they told me i had to get it from here in Malta, as i was not resident in UK. Plus when you read the site about it - it doesnt indicate any different.

In fact I have been trying to remember who it was that said otherwise - it may have been you. Hence my formal letters to the dept

georgeingozo wrote:

tearnet wrote:

You can't do it on line but have to contact Newcastle for the forms, fill them in and return them.

Terry

my understanding is that for UK citizens living in Malta you only get an EHIC if you qualify, and if you are below retirement age and not working you dont qualify. Very happy to be wrong.

that too is my understanding.

may i suggest that this be given another thread as its taking the onus away from the original

georgeingozo wrote:

toonarmy9752 wrote:

georgeingozo wrote:

If Malta leaves, then we would have no automatic right to live here unless Malta and UK agree something.

RHA - so am I - we are lucky to get that - if we were say French, we would have no health cover at all. RHA gets us partially out of the black hole.

I have yet to receive a response from the DWP on this matter - 4 letters written so far - they seem reluctant to go into print on it

so its private insurance cover when on holiday then.

the RHA is a red herring in all of this as has nothing to do with the EU

I would agree - unless of course there are those in authority who may think that it will be abused for normal everyday healthcare for those live here. - I only want it for when i go on holiday or visit family and friends in europe.

I suspect its all to do with being or not being ordinarily resident.
But having said that why should the RHA be a stumbling block to having one issued here?

toonarmy9752 wrote:

But having said that why should the RHA be a stumbling block to having one issued here?

it isn't. THE RHA has nothing to do with EHIC issuance.

If you work in Malta, your EHIC is issued in Malta
If you are from the UK and retired (and of retirement age) in Malta, your EHIC is issued by the UK.

We have applied for and received our S1 forms from Newcastle. Mine as a retired person and my husband as a dependent of myself, he is not of retirement age in the UK. The covering letter instructed us to send our existing EHIC cards back to New Castle and they will issue each of us with a new one. Today we received our Health Entitlement forms from Valetta with the following information which seems to reinforce the New Castle instruction:
'According to new EU regulations which came into force on 1 May 2010, The EHIC is always issued by the competent state regardless of the place of residence.' Apply to the country issuing the S1 etc etc. Not sure whether this new regulation covers people below retirement age without an S1?

rooikat wrote:

Not sure whether this new regulation covers people below retirement age without an S1?

almost certain it doesn't, which is the black hole TA mentioned -this is EU wide, and something the EU said they would look into a couple of years ago

rooikat wrote:

The EHIC is always issued by the competent state

perhaps they are trying to find a competent state...or someone in one

But it is GnG as if you dont work, retired but not on state pension and have the RHA you CANNOT HAVE AN EHIC issued here. Further if you are not ORDINARILY RESIDENT IN UK not working and not On state pension YOU CANNOT HAVE ONE ISSUED TO YOU FROM THE UK.

Petition / complaint now sent to EU - as all my NI and Taxes were paid in to the system in the UK which qualifies us both for full state pension when due.

This is from the Malta gov website regarding EHIC.

Who is eligible for the Service?

Persons who are ordinarily residing in Malta and are:


Covered by the national Social Security legislation.
Holders of a Certificate of Entitlement (issued through the presentation of E121 forms).

If you are resident and pay tax in Malta you are surely covered under the Social Security Legislation?

Terry

tearnet wrote:

If you are resident and pay tax in Malta you are surely covered under the Social Security Legislation?

Terry

in Malta entitlement to healthcover/EHIC isn't based on residency/tax but on paying social security contributions, or holding an S1

"if you dont work, retired but not on state pension and have the RHA you CANNOT HAVE AN EHIC issued here." correct, unless you have an S1

however

"if you dont work, retired but not on state pension and dont have the RHA you CANNOT HAVE AN EHIC issued here." is also correct (unless you have an S1) AFAIK

thats why I believe the RHA is a red herring

exactly - i dont pay tax nor ssc here - we are self sufficient and as Such cant get one here...all my taxes and NI are paid in the uk but the key there is ORDINARILY RESIDENT...which we are not

am not disagreeing with the "red herring" statement but i do believe that it is being used as a barr to getting one issued here and the ordinarily resident status is the key in UK.

toonarmy9752 wrote:

exactly - i dint pay tax nor ssc here - we are self sufficient and as Such cant get one here...all my taxes and NI are paid in the uk but the key there is ORDINARILY RESIDENT...which we are not

yes, you are the same as me - we have no entitlement to EHIC, which has nothing to do with us holding an RHA

Just to clarify, holding an RHA doesn't stop you getting an EHIC. However it doesn't qualify you getting an EHIC, qualification is through S1 or social security contributions. You can pay SS contribs and have an RHA (although it would be pointless to do so) and be entitled to an EHIC.

This is from the Maltese legislation ....

Persons not in gainful employment whose total annual income does not exceed € 1,005, for unmarried persons, or € 1,470 for married persons, as well as self-employed persons whose annual income does not exceed € 910, may apply for a certificate of exemption from the payment of contributions.


Does this mean that the wife of a resident if she pays no tax on no income, can apply for the exemption and then claim the EHIC?

Terry

tearnet wrote:

Does this mean that the wife of a resident if she pays no tax on no income, can apply for the exemption and then claim the EHIC?

Terry

The wife would qualify for EHIC if her husband qualified

georgeingozo wrote:

Just to clarify, holding an RHA doesn't stop you getting an EHIC. However it doesn't qualify you getting an EHIC, qualification is through S1 or social security contributions. You can pay SS contribs and have an RHA (although it would be pointless to do so) and be entitled to an EHIC.

in other words it barrs you from getting one.

so if a person made voluntary SSC contributions would that then open the barrier to EHIC..... bUt it would be pointless then to have the RHA.

but then the RHA is free (renewable every two years) and if you could pay voluntary SSC and dispense with the RHA - the costs may outweigh the cost of travel insurance cover anyway.

no, it doesn't bar you

if you have RHA you cannot qualify for one - it is a barr.

bar = something that makes movement or progress difficult

toonarmy9752 wrote:

if you have RHA you cannot qualify for one - it is a barr.

if you only have RHA you cannot qualify for one  :-)

toonarmy9752 wrote:

but then the RHA is free (renewable every two years) and if you could pay voluntary SSC and dispense with the RHA - the costs may outweigh the cost of travel insurance cover anyway.

however, bear in mind RHA doesn't give you the full access to the medical system.

ps I have free travel insurance through an account with Santander offshore (and also with Lloyds TSB offshore)

pps voluntary SSC are over 1000 euros pa I believe, but also give you pension rights

georgeingozo wrote:

toonarmy9752 wrote:

if you have RHA you cannot qualify for one - it is a barr.

if you only have RHA you cannot qualify for one  :-)

true but then my 36 years of NI contributions are in the UK and still dont qualify for one there either. BLACK HOLE

AS FOR TRAVEL INSURANCE - at 1000e per year each - i will take private travel insurance..... and the pension rights - if we stay long enough to get them....

Back on subject ---- We have both now been notified that our new cards are ready for collection (perhaps it was the email to the minister?). So Monday we are off to collect them, be interesting to see what all the fuss is about!!!
I just hope collecting them is easier than applying, watch this space!....

Terry

Hi Terry
Heading for Malta E/O July 2013 after 20 years of dithering over the decision!
ID & Resident Cards - Still all a little confusing...
My Wife Irish & me a Brit.
Can you give me the short and simple version of what we will need in terms of legal documentation to reside in Malta.
I was also reading about your drive down,sounds like the drivers in Sicily have not improved,I spent a great deal of time around Messina and Catania through the 90s, my associate Carmelo taught me some fine survival driving tatics,that didn't include the bumper to bumper 140kmph trips back to the airport!
Driving down with two small dogs.All jabbed,passports ,rabies etc.
Had a read about your journey,interesting stuff.
We were thinking of taking the Genoa - Valletta ferry,any experience on that route?
Best regards
Reggie

Reggie2 wrote:

Can you give me the short and simple version of what we will need in terms of legal documentation to reside in Malta.

that depends on the category you are applying under



Economic Self Sufficiency- CEA Form J
Study- CEA Form M
Employment/Self Employment- CEA Form A
Family Members - CEA Form F

what docs you require are are the back of the respective form, but in summary are about proving you have
1.health cover
and
2. sufficient income or capital to live on

As EU citizens' residency is just a formality and the current problems are more about the Maltese not being able to organise a p..up in a brewery than about them being awkward. When you get to Malta is the time to sort it out and a trawl through the site will point you in the right direction.
I have replied to your question regarding the ferry  and journey down on your other post so I won't repeat it again.

Good luck

Terry

Many thanks
Reggie

tearnet wrote:

As EU citizens' residency is just a formality and the current problems are more about the Maltese not being able to organise a p..up in a brewery than about them being awkward. When you get to Malta is the time to sort it out and a trawl through the site will point you in the right direction.
I have replied to your question regarding the ferry  and journey down on your other post so I won't repeat it again.

Good luck

Terry

agreed. and with only one brewery you'd think it would be easy.

Well, went to collect our cards this morning and what a shambles!
For some reason we thought that the issuing would be easy, I should have my head examined. Arrived at around 09:45 to find a crowd of around 50 people waiting / milling around outside (no security people outside). They let in  one or two people at a time if you have the letter telling you to collect it, however half of the people queuing did not have the letter (mainly TCN's) but  insisted on trying to cram into the doorway. A big row started when some came in from the side and tried to get in the building, all this time the "security " just stayed inside the building.
When we eventually got inside we expected to have to show passport or the letter to get our cards but no all we hade to do was sign the bottom of the temp ID sheet and that was it.
There were a few people that turned up with letters that were told that the card was not there.
Why they don't send the cards to your nearest police station for collection I have no idea but when we left at around 10;40 there were around 50 to 60 still waiting and the office closes at 11:30!!!

OIM

Terry

(if we move house again in Malta we are NOT going to bother trying to change the card address).

Bejesus - what a shambles - but hey the writing was on the wall for this - and by the sounds of it - still is.

So some people had a letter to say their cards were ready, fought their way through the crowds to find they were not ready?   Wonderful, it just gets better and better!

Does anyone know if there have been any responses to the people who applied by mail yet?

NO REPLY to mine yet (3 weeks) they ve defo got it - tracked by registered mail