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fritzb wrote:

Hello everyone,

I am Fritz from Austria and I have been living in Sao Paulo for 1.5 years now. I am currently here under a residence permit for students, which expires in late Febuary. Since my exchange year here comes to an end, there is no chance to extent this type of residence. I married my brazilian wife in November and we would like to stay here until April. Therefore, I will somehow need a new type of residence permit.

As far as I could find out, I will need a residence for family reunion, but I am not sure which procedure exactly I will need to follow. The Polícia Federal website informs that there is the "autorização de residência com base em reunião familiar" and the "renovação do prazo de residência do imigrante em reunião familiar". Does anyone know which one I need to apply for or if I actually need another type of residence?

Also, I read in the forum that there are some problems with the online appointment system of PF. Does anyone have recent experiences with this?

Thanks a lot for your help!

Best,
Fritz

Hi, I had my appointment with the PF in December after spending online trying to schedule it.  I finally hired someone to get an appointment for me. This was for a Family Reunion and I already had a VITEM XI visa so most of the work had already been completed.

hi, thanks for your reply
May I ask who you hired and if that was expensive? Did it take a long time to get your appointment?

fritzb wrote:

hi, thanks for your reply
May I ask who you hired and if that was expensive? Did it take a long time to get your appointment?

Someone in this group had posted his name and recommended him. After we were so unsuccessful in obtaining just an appointment with the PF, we contacted him. Although I had completed all of the paperwork and had my VITEM XI through a Brasilian Consulate in the USA. He insisted on putting the completed package together and having his assistant go with us to our appointment.  He must have great contacts as he did get our appointment through him and during the most convenient time for us, but that still took him about a month.  We had already spent 2-3 months just going onto the PF website and trying to make the appointment ourselves, at least a couple of times a day every day. His charge to us, R$1,500. to start, then R$600 more, which included their going back to PF in person and picking up my new CRNM, and sending it by DHL to the USA.  He also had the PF provide me with a form I had never heard of, a sort of pre-approval for a bank account, something as good as gold in Brazil if you know how difficult it is to get a bank account here. Then he took me into the bank closest to his office, introduced me to the branch manager, and made sure I had my new account opened, and both debit and credit cards approved before he went back to his office. It was great, he was great and well worth his fees. He also does driver's licenses, property title work which if you buy here, you need to have a great person do, NEVER your realtor. He has connections to transfer large sums of money from other countries with small fees.... From my understanding, he has been doing this for something like 50-years.

Fritz,
Congratulations on your marriage!

You apply for "Autorização de Residência com Base em Reunião Familiar", at the same Polícia Federal  office that processed your current ID card.  You'll begin the application online, pay the fee, then go to the PF for them to review your documents.  Since you're living in São Paulo, I'm guessing that's in Lapa.    A phone call to them should let you know the process they're following for appointments,  which may be variable with the intensity of the pandemic.

The application process is pretty straightforward.   You'll need the documents listed on the Polícia Federal website, some of which you probably already have, because you would have needed them for your student visa, and/or for the cartório at the time of your marriage.   A current criminal background check from Austria may be the most difficult to get, so you should check on that ASAP.  You'll also need criminal background checks from the Brazilian state and federal governments, but you can obtain those easily online.

Thanks a lot for your help! Luckily I won't need it this time, since I just asked at PF in Lapa and I found a very easy way out for my situation. But it may be very helpful in the future! Thank you very much and all the best!

abthree wrote:

Fritz,
Congratulations on your marriage!

You apply for "Autorização de Residência com Base em Reunião Familiar", at the same Polícia Federal  office that processed your current ID card.  You'll begin the application online, pay the fee, then go to the PF for them to review your documents.  Since you're living in São Paulo, I'm guessing that's in Lapa.    A phone call to them should let you know the process they're following for appointments,  which may be variable with the intensity of the pandemic.

The application process is pretty straightforward.   You'll need the documents listed on the Polícia Federal website, some of which you probably already have, because you would have needed them for your student visa, and/or for the cartório at the time of your marriage.   A current criminal background check from Austria may be the most difficult to get, so you should check on that ASAP.  You'll also need criminal background checks from the Brazilian state and federal governments, but you can obtain those easily online.

Thanks you for your help! I just came back from PF, where they told me to do pretty much the same thing. In my situation I found a very easy way out, since I only needed this type of residence for another 1,5 months after the expiration date of my student residence.

Anyway, thank you very much for your advice and all the best for you!

For anyone else here who may read this: in adition to the items on the list, they also asked to bring a copy of all pages (including blank ones) of my passport, a picture of my wife, a proof of residence of either me or my wife.

Thanks again guys for your support!

I asked at PF in Lapa today and they adviced against applying for a "Autorização de Residência com Base em Reunião Familiar", since I only need to stay in Brazil for another 1.5 months after my current residence expired and there is likely an investigation process for anyone who wants a residence permit based on a marriage with a Brazilian.

Instead, I should come back to PF *ONE* day after my current residence expires and pay a 100R$ fine, which would give me another 60 days to leave the country. Way easier and cheaper then the new residence permit and also avoiding the risk of having troubles due to leaving the country during an ongoing investigation process by PF.

Be sure to get stamped on the fine or a receipt, just in case not entered into the system.
Some had issues about a year ago.
You do know you can apply for CRNM and get a protocol and it allows traveling while being processed. If you do not have all the documents, be sure to get them apostille/legalized depending on your home country

Texanbrazil wrote:

Be sure to get stamped on the fine or a receipt, just in case not entered into the system.
Some had issues about a year ago.
You do know you can apply for CRNM and get a protocol and it allows traveling while being processed. If you do not have all the documents, be sure to get them apostille/legalized depending on your home country

Good one, thanks a lot. I'll take extra care then.

Yes I know about travelling with a protocol, that worked with my current student residence. With family reunion, the officer at PF strongly adviced against travelling due to the investigation process. Apparently, they send out officers to where people live to check if married couples actually live together.

Can you please send me lawyer's phone number in private message?

Thank you.

rraypo wrote:

fritzb wrote:

hi, thanks for your reply
May I ask who you hired and if that was expensive? Did it take a long time to get your appointment?

Someone in this group had posted his name and recommended him. After we were so unsuccessful in obtaining just an appointment with the PF, we contacted him. Although I had completed all of the paperwork and had my VITEM XI through a Brasilian Consulate in the USA. He insisted on putting the completed package together and having his assistant go with us to our appointment.  He must have great contacts as he did get our appointment through him and during the most convenient time for us, but that still took him about a month.  We had already spent 2-3 months just going onto the PF website and trying to make the appointment ourselves, at least a couple of times a day every day. His charge to us, R$1,500. to start, then R$600 more, which included their going back to PF in person and picking up my new CRNM, and sending it by DHL to the USA.  He also had the PF provide me with a form I had never heard of, a sort of pre-approval for a bank account, something as good as gold in Brazil if you know how difficult it is to get a bank account here. Then he took me into the bank closest to his office, introduced me to the branch manager, and made sure I had my new account opened, and both debit and credit cards approved before he went back to his office. It was great, he was great and well worth his fees. He also does driver's licenses, property title work which if you buy here, you need to have a great person do, NEVER your realtor. He has connections to transfer large sums of money from other countries with small fees.... From my understanding, he has been doing this for something like 50-years.

Rraypo,

Can you please send me lawyer's phone number in private message?

Thank you.

I believe in 2017 law PF stopped house visits.

Californian.in.SP wrote:

rraypo wrote:

fritzb wrote:

hi, thanks for your reply
May I ask who you hired and if that was expensive? Did it take a long time to get your appointment?

Someone in this group had posted his name and recommended him. After we were so unsuccessful in obtaining just an appointment with the PF, we contacted him. Although I had completed all of the paperwork and had my VITEM XI through a Brasilian Consulate in the USA. He insisted on putting the completed package together and having his assistant go with us to our appointment.  He must have great contacts as he did get our appointment through him and during the most convenient time for us, but that still took him about a month.  We had already spent 2-3 months just going onto the PF website and trying to make the appointment ourselves, at least a couple of times a day every day. His charge to us, R$1,500. to start, then R$600 more, which included their going back to PF in person and picking up my new CRNM, and sending it by DHL to the USA.  He also had the PF provide me with a form I had never heard of, a sort of pre-approval for a bank account, something as good as gold in Brazil if you know how difficult it is to get a bank account here. Then he took me into the bank closest to his office, introduced me to the branch manager, and made sure I had my new account opened, and both debit and credit cards approved before he went back to his office. It was great, he was great and well worth his fees. He also does driver's licenses, property title work which if you buy here, you need to have a great person do, NEVER your realtor. He has connections to transfer large sums of money from other countries with small fees.... From my understanding, he has been doing this for something like 50-years.

Rraypo,

Can you please send me lawyer's phone number in private message?

Thank you.

Oh yes, most certainly, not a problem, and very good luck to you.