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roddiesho

Bom Dia, This goes out to the entire EXPAT.COM Brain Trust.


I need to get out of this nightmare and find a way to return to Rhode Island, get my storage and bring it back to my new home, as well as become legal for family and property.


Here's What Happened.


  • Contracted with Lawyers in Fortaleza to process my Permanent Residency Visa by Spouse in May 2023.
  • Went to Lawyers Office and gave them copies of Passport and Marriage Certificates
  • Lawyers were very sparse in ANY kind of feedback, but concentrated ALL their efforts on the Marriage Documents.
  • Finally at the first of January my wife traveled to Fortaleza (at the lawyers request) and sat down with them.
  • The local Cart籀rio, had rejected the Marriage documents because we did not register at the Brazilian Embassy in the US when we were married 23 years ago.
  • In addition we discovered that one of their secretaries, for reasons unknown, had quit and run off with one of our Apostled Marriage documents.
  • We also discovered that the lawyers had NOT engaged with the Federal Police and if the plan was to fly to the U.S.A. to the Brazilian Embassy, I would now owe 30,000 Reiss in late fees, also with no guarantee I could get back into the country without a visa.
  • My FBI Background check expires in March 2024. The fingerprints 3 months after.
  • In addition Brazil likes to tie you and your mother to everything. My passport has my NEW NAME - "Roddie". My birth certificate has my birth name. I was a Jr. to my father before I changed it to the name everyone knew me by. This means that the name change has to come into effect if you are using the birth certificate as a document with me and my mothers name on it.
  • The lawyers have been very focused on the marriage, but these situations will come up at some time.


Thank You for Your Time and Effort.


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See also

Work permits for BrazilThe Working Holiday Visa for BrazilGeneral visa requirements for BrazilHow Long to Get Passport Back After US Visa Approval in Rio?Is Federal Police registration so close to expiration date a problem?
alan279

@roddiesho Not to be too negative, but maybe you have too many insurmountable problems? Why solve any of them? Can you just live in a small town without documents? A friend lived in Brazil for five years on a tourist visa. He paid a fine when he left the country. He received a new tourist visa the next year.

roddiesho

@alan279 Ah! One of my favorite quotes is "Sometimes I believe in as many as six impossible things before breakfast." from the Alice in Wonderland movie.

My wife often makes the Impossible Possible. I once stood beside her at a neighbor's townhouse while a work friend of my neighbor was telling us how "!impossible" it was for our neighbor to get into her house, she mistakenly locked. He had his chest puffed out and was in mid-sentence sayng why we could not do it, when my wife took out her American Express Credit Card and slipped it into the lock and opened the door BEFORE he finished his sentence.


So the update is that We now have an appointment with the Federal Police to be granted 60 days to go to the USA get any necessary documents and return.


My big question before I go is what documents I will need. It is very possible that I need a New Birth Certificate apostled as well as my Name Change apostled. Of course we are now talking about MD. and Massive Snow Storm School and Office Closing R.I. (ouch) and of course the Brazilian Embassy in Washington, D.C. It can be done, but it will be a very precision exercise.


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P.S. The reasons that I have to go are:


1) ALL my family documents are in storage and at some point i have to make

arrangements for family and property, needing both the documents

and being Legal in Brazil.


2), Half of my YouTube gear is in storage including some custom-made props that i

paid over $1,500 for to start my channel with my glass-enclosed

You Tube Studio in Brazil.

alan279

@roddiesho I think you have the solution to all your problems, an American Express card.

abthree


01/09/24 My big question before I go is what documents I will need. It is very possible that I need a New Birth Certificate apostled as well as my Name Change apostled. Of course we are now talking about MD. and Massive Snow Storm School and Office Closing R.I. (ouch) and of course the Brazilian Embassy in Washington, D.C. It can be done, but it will be a very precision exercise.

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Your wife is the best!


This is a complete do-over, so


1 , Register your marriage at the Brazilian Consulate General in Washington DC. Your wife does this, but you can help her pull the documents together and can be present. Here are the consular instructions:



They will issue you a Certid瓊o Consular de Registro de Casamento which will be the only marriage document you need to submit to the Pol穩cia Federal, and to the Cart籀rio to register your marriage in Brazil. It's an official Brazilian document, so it doesn't require an apostille. Get multiple 2a Vias -- the consular officer will issue them at the same time as your original. Make sure that you have US Postal Service Money Orders to cover the fees.


2 . Get a VITEM XI visa. You can start the application before you have the Certid瓊o for your marriage, but the Certid瓊o should be complete before your appointment for the visa. Here are the requirements at the Brazilian Consulate General in Washington, DC:



Special considerations:


  • Contact the Consulate via email to ask how to deal with your name change. I hope that they'll just want the official proof of the name change, although they MAY want you to have the state issue a new Birth Certificate with the new name. Whichever approach the Consulate takes, the PF should follow.
  • Have several originals of your new FBI Background Check, and several originals of your Birth Certificate (the one that the Consulate will accept) in hand. Have one of the FBI Background Checks and one of the Birth Certificates apostilled for the PF.
  • If the Consulate accepts the official proof of your name change without requiring a new Birth Certificate, have an original of the same document apostilled for the PF, too.

roddiesho

@abthree This is an Early "You Are the 2nd. Best". I am on hold with Social Security. My wife says I have to show (documents) how much I am getting (2024 increase) in order to reduce the fine.....I'll read your post after I take care of SS.


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abthree


01/09/24 @abthree This is an Early "You Are the 2nd. Best". I am on hold with Social Security. My wife says I have to show (documents) how much I am getting (2024 increase) in order to reduce the fine.....I'll read your post after I take care of SS.
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If you have an online account with SSA, you can download those letters, and their docs and letters in general. It's a real timesaver!

roddiesho

@abthree I am guessing that my wife will need to be with me to the Brazilian Consulate?

alan279


@abthree I am guessing that my wife will need to be with me to the Brazilian Consulate?


-@roddiesho


And your father and mother. Maybe some grandparents, too?

abthree


01/09/24 @abthree I am guessing that my wife will need to be with me to the Brazilian Consulate? -@roddiesho


Your wife is the one who HAS to be at the Consulate to register your marriage. Your own presence is optional, but I would urge you to go: seeing her with an actual husband will be evidence to them that everything is ok, and it will let you get familiar with the layout and some of the people there,


It's unclear to me whether you'll need to go into the Consulate at all for your visa. It looks like it will be all by mail. But yes, if you have to go in for any reason, it would be a good idea to go together.


Remember, after you return to Brazil on your new visa, you'll still need to go to the PF as soon after your arrival as practical to register for your CRNM. That experience, though, should be totally different from your last one.

roddiesho

@abthree1f609.svg Well, I started out that way, but got held up with the "Authenticator App" which they say I picked two years ago. Luckily they had a human phone agent, so I will be good in 24hrs., but it was a good idea.


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roddiesho

@abthree Hopefully the Brazilian Consulate won't be suprised that she is married to a husband that looks so young and handsome, with a very full head of hair. 1f609.svg


I will be there to meet my wife. She has so much to do here in Brazil. My mother is still being cared for at 97, while her father is in Hospice, so it will be a very short trip where she will go up and back almost immediately, with stops just to go to the Brazilian Consulate and see our daughters new majestic apartment, While I will travel around and get my documents and storage stuff.


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alan279

@roddiesho Are you sure you want to become legal? And deprive everyone here of the opportunity to make up stories about Roddie the secret 做厙輦⑹? We could make you infamous! You could be the bank robber that was never caught. Or a secret deposed dictator. We could dine out on the stories about you for weeks.

roddiesho

@alan279 I am prevented from replying in Witness Protection. Sorry.


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alan279

@roddiesho Witness Protection or NDA from your lucrative book contract?

roddiesho

@alan279 I have actually never had an NDA, but one of my best friends and other senior Radio Account Executives did have NDA's when they left one of the top radio stations in the DC/MD/VA Metro. 1f60e.svg

alan279

@roddiesho Did they have non-competes too? Just curious. Non-competes may be coming to an end soon. Sorry, off topic.

roddiesho

@alan279 Since you are on-line I actually started to do my homework early and I know where to go, how long it will take and how much in R.I. (Birth Certificate) and Washington, D.C. (Name Change). The challenging part is if I want more than a copy, like a certified or apostled document. In DC this could take 6 wks. and involve lawyers. This is what abtree says.


Contact the Consulate via email to ask how to deal with your name change. I hope that they'll just want the official proof of the name change, although they MAY want you to have the state issue a new Birth Certificate with the new name. Whichever approach the Consulate takes, the PF should follow.
Have several originals of your new FBI Background Check, and several originals of your Birth Certificate (the one that the Consulate will accept) in hand. Have one of the FBI Background Checks and one of the Birth Certificates apostilled for the PF.
If the Consulate accepts the official proof of your name change without requiring a new Birth Certificate, have an original of the same document apostilled for the PF, too.

PS. So this sounds tricky, because RI. and DC will be done BEFORE I get to the Brazilian Consulate.


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alan279

@roddiesho I was thinking that the time required for the various certifications, translations and apostilations might be a challenge to accomplish on a quick trip to the US.

alan279

@roddiesho And, of course, if anything unexpected goes wrong, then what? can you stay in the US for a while? Or do you have a hard PF deadline to return to Brazil? Sounds complicated to me. How much can you get done from Brazil?

roddiesho

@alan279 I just got up from a mid-day nap, but in a way it refreshed my view. The two accomplishments I am looking for is my marriage with my wife at the Brazilian Consulate and bringing my You Tube equipment in storage back to Brazil. That I am sure I can do.


As far as the "certifications, translations and apostilations" my job will just be to get a recent copy of my birth certificate and name change. The only challenge will be if somehow that stands in the way of what we do at The Brazilian Consulate (which, I hate to throw mud at my one an only, however I know of numerous times I went there and to the Brazilian Embassy to sell the Pao de Queijo Queen of the Nation's Capitol's offering....if only I knew in the 23 years we lived there that I just needed to do this back then).


Anyway, I have enough faith in my video skills that I can make some money, if not a lot of money with my channel. I just need to get started and then if I still have to finish this up while I have some bank, then so be it.


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roddiesho

@abthree Thanx, I think I mentioned a long, long time ago that I was in charge of the FBI Background Check and Fingerprinting and my wife was in charge of the Marriage Documents. Well while this Marriage Bagunca has been going on my FBI Background Check and Fingerprinting have been done, completed and collecting dust since March 2032.


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alan279

@roddiesho You may recall my recent debacle. Getting my marriage and divorce documents in Ilh矇us took many weeks. Then my fianc矇 discovered that her divorce from 20 years ago wasnt official and would take two months to resolve. Bureaucracy saved me from a piranha.

alan279

@alan279 But the point I was trying to make is that anything can go wrong. My divorce document was rejected by the US Consulate in Rio in 2005. It wasn't a certified copy. It actually was the original divorce document I was given by mistake. The bureaucrats were quite embarassed. I paid the air fare to retrieve the proper document, no FedEx, DHL or UPS deliveries accepted.

roddiesho

@alan279 Sorry me and the Misus went to Camocim to get her Sorvete Shop Ice Cream and for me to get groceries. It does sound complicated. I hope everything was resolved.


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sprealestatebroker

Roddiesho has bought property in Brazil, to my recollection. So he needs to sort out all these triffles and stay legit in Brazil.


Yes, dealing with Attorneys and Public Servants in Brazil is a never ending nightmare. Everyone, when not carrying out tasks dilligently, has their hands on your pocket, and often not to deliver expected and agreed upon results.


I think I overstated the magnitude of these issues ad nauseum through several posts in this very forum. And there is not a single way to get around this. People who managed to accomplish all of this unscathed, often do at expense of money. There are beaks to be eat, or favors to be called in.


There is a reason why 做厙輦⑹ consultants will rather choose to steer clients towards shit kicking third rate countries instead of Brazil.

sprealestatebroker


@roddiesho You may recall my recent debacle. Getting my marriage and divorce documents in Ilh矇us took many weeks. Then my fianc矇 discovered that her divorce from 20 years ago wasnt official and would take two months to resolve. Bureaucracy saved me from a piranha.


-@alan279


See, that's short term thinking. A person with an outlook and able to evaluate character, would say to herself... " This might be a swell lad, worth the longshot for a steady companionship... I will bid my time on him, and stay on point. "


Assuming, there is, you are that kind of a guy ( nothing personal ).


It looks to me as she was more of a Wham Bam Thank You Maam kind of a gal.


Her loss, your gain.

roddiesho

@alan279,@abthree Glory Bee EXPAT.COM BrainTrust. I have some unbelievably Fantastic News. Barbara, who really seems to know her stuff, @ Vital Check in Rhode Island said that my Birth Certificate, the same as my Passport should carry my legal "they call me Roddie" name which wipes out any documents needed on the name change etc. Just a simple Birth Certificate and the suggested VITEM XI. The rest I already have.... @alan279...No one needs to know my previous life1f60e.svg ha, ha, ha.


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alan279

@roddiesho We know, Roddie.